Dr. Harvey Risch on Mark Levine -- 24 October 2021

 

Dr. Harvey Risch on Mark Levine -- 24 October 2021

ML: ____________ Dr. Rochelle Walensky, Director for the CDC announced “in accordance with the Biden Administration” they’re going to ramp up ____________ to vaccinate 5-11 year olds as soon as the FDA gives them an EUA.  Does the science support this kind of activity?

HR:  This is a risk-benefit analysis, and from what I understand, the adverse events occurring from Covid itself in 5-11 year olds are so infrequent that the hazards from the vaccines are likely to be greater than the hazards from the illness, so the benefit is against vaccination for almost all of that age group, except for children with chronic conditions like obesity, diabetes, asthma, respiratory diseases.

ML: I see these numbers from the Daily Wire: since January 2020, fewer than 450 children between the ages of 5 and 18 have passed away from the virus, according to provisional data from the CDC, and that amounts to between 0 and 0.03% of infected children.  I would think more children probably die in a given year from the flu.

HR:  That has been true in the past. Don’t forget that those 450, half of them were children who died with Covid not from Covid, according to studies that have looked at that distinction. So the numbers are as small or comparable or less than flu. Of course we don’t want them to die and we want to treat them if at all possible, but those numbers are not what we deal with by vaccinating the entire population.

ML: So why do you think there is this move and almost obsession with vaccinating little kids?

HR:  I really don’t understand the mindset of government officials who think that “noble lying” to the population is a valid approach to governance at public health.

ML: And the media don’t seem to press them, the Biden Administration is pushing this.  There’s going to be parents who are going to push back and create more conflict, that is the Biden Administration.  We now have mandates in this country where people are told,  if  you don’t get a vaccine you’re going to lose your job, and even if you had the virus and you have natural immunity, you have the antibodies, they tell people they’re fired – cops, doctors, nurses, firefighters, employees all over the country. Does the science support that?

HR:  No. There’s more than 90 studies showing that natural immunity post-infection is stronger and better and longer-lasting than vaccine immunity. There’s no question that people who’ve already had Covid have no need to be vaccinated for the public health. Could they benefit from vaccination? Perhaps a little, but the hazards of those people getting the vaccine are higher than an average person of the population getting the vaccine – there are 6 studies showing that increased risk. So there’s no reason ____________ and certainly no reason for a mandate to have them vaccinated. And the fact that we are facing such a calamitous ‘big lie’ over ____________ be vaccinated because of their previous immunity and that immunity doesn’t work, it’s just a big lie and you have to wonder where that big lie is coming from.

ML: It seems to be coming from Federal bureaucrats in very high positions in the medical and science community being pressured by, if not supporting, an Administration that is obsessed with this. Let me ask you this question: They talk about the unvaccinated – and I notice when Biden talks about it and Fauci and the others, they never distinguish between those who have had the virus and perhaps those who have not. They never distinguish between those for whom the virus could damage them if they take the vaccine. Why do you think that is?

HR:  Well you know the real bottom line in everything that comes out, in every decision that’s made, in every pronouncement that’s made by Fauci and the government, is to sell vaccines. There’s nothing I’ve heard that I have heard that ever takes a step back and says “maybe vaccines are not indicated for such and such a person” – everything in every direction has always been to sell vaccines; and that includes suppression of early treatment.

ML: And early treatment would include drugs like what?

HR:  Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, Colchicine, Favipiravir, Fluvoxavine, Budesonide, antibiotics, aspirin, a whole set of recipes.

ML: Which is really preposterous because where they’ve had other illnesses, other diseases in the past, scientists have looked for off the shelf products that have been tested for periods of half a century in many cases or longer – that might help and might do the trick. Here, all of a sudden they’re turned into poison! Have you ever seen anything like that?

HR:  Well, no, but I think we’re just seeing the effects of a corrupted economic pharma playing field, that when you have infinite resources and can alter the playing field in favor of your products, it’s easy to do that, you just spend the money ____________

ML: But when you can save people’s lives – the #1 job of the Federal government is to protect the American people, and when you have the medical and scientific Federal bureaucracy getting behind certain drugs and trying to destroy the efficacy of other drugs is really remarkable. I’ve been taking hydroxyl for a year and a half; I have heart disease, I have asthma, I feel perfectly fine, ____________ it hasn’t done anything to me, it hasn’t done anything to the billions of people and the multi-billions of pills that people have taken over the course of time so far. I’ve gotten the virus, I’ve gotten the vaccine too, but still I sit here, I’m pedestrian when it comes to these things, ____________ Is most of what we’re being told political? Or is most of what we’re being told medical?  Or both?  Is that why the American people are so cynical about what’s going on?

ML: ____________ world-renowned ____________ a lot of input into the Federal government; have they every contacted you and asked you for your opinions or your analysis of any data of any sort?

HR:  Not this Administration, not at all.

ML: ____________ Science and Medicine involve a lot of collaboration, involve a lot of discussion back and forth, especially when you’re dealing with something like a pandemic and relatively new virus or a new form of a virus ____________ You’re not the first outside expert I’ve asked this ____________ It appears to me that other than a very close circle of scientists and doctors, NIH, the FDA, the CDC, Dr. Fauci and so forth, have done very little reaching out to our top universities and ____________ and top experts. Have you found that to be the case?

HR:  They actually do, but they reach out to people who largely have conflicts of interest consulting with pharma companies. There seems to be a perception that academic medical centers are the highest centers of knowledge, and in some respects that’s true, but in fact when you’re talking about first line treatment of people for respiratory illness, it’s the frontline doctors – the doctors who’ve seen the patients who walk into their offices or call them on telemedicine: those are the people with the experience in treating Covid patients, for example. Now, what we know is, across the country, I’ve surveyed telemedicine groups and large group practices, and most recently it totals more than 150,000 people who’ve been treated early as outpatients with HCQ, Ivermectin and other medications – extremely successful, less than two dozen deaths out of that large number of people who’ve been treated early. So they are the ones who have the knowledge of how to treat patients; however, the government doesn’t want any of that to be known publicly, so it’s an open secret. I talk about it and others talk about it, but the government denies that it exists and pretends that these are harmful medications.

ML: ____________ treating them like they're asking for a vial of heroin or something like that, it's amazing...

HR: ___________ if the number of deaths that’s been recorded, about 700,000 Americans is an accurate account, we could have saved 80-85% at least of those by early aggressive treatment.

ML: ___________ I noticed that many of the former commissioners of the FDA have served on the board of these pharmaceutical companies. Are you aware of that?

HR:  Yes, it’s the revolving door of government, it’s commonly practiced.

ML: We’re not thinking of conspiracy theories or anything else ___________ when I go to the doctors ___________ I want the most objective analysis possible. That certainly raises questions. There’s a reason the American people are cynical. They’re cynical because they get conflicting advice, they’re cynical because they have common sense – it makes no sense for instance you’re going to vaccinate 5-11 year olds and nothing we see supports that, then the CDC Director comes out, not only that, they’re still going to have to wear masks. You hear Dr. Fauci, people have played the endless contradictions coming out of his mouth, the endless ___________ this has to be one of the worst years, year-and-a-half, 2-year periods of information provided the American people by the so-called scientific and medical community that I can ever remember.

HR:  As far as I can tell, it’s a top-down structure, and most doctors do not get their information by going back and reading the original studies; they get fed the information from former reps or what they’re told from society, and the conflicts are legion, so it’s no surprise that most doctors don’t pay attention and do what they’re told.

ML: If you’re a parent and you have a 7 or 8 year old, the Federal government is coming to insist those kids get vaccinated. If you live in a state like California where Gov. Newsom is going to do that ___________ what would you do? Would you get your kid vaccinated? Would you talk to your local doctor?

HR:  If the child has chronic conditions that make their risk appreciable, then there’s a reason they should be considered for a vaccination. Other than that, if it were my child, I would home school them, ___________ organize with other parents to take them out of the school and create home-schooling environments. There’s no choice, your child’s life is on the line, it’s not a high risk -- vaccination is not a high risk that’s going to kill every child by doing so; however, it’s enough of a risk that on the average the benefit is higher for home schooling than for vaccination and being in school. That’s the bottom line. We were seeing employees and companies facing mandates quit or being fired, and now the public perceives that and ___________ having a hard time replacing those employees in a climate of a bad employment circumstance and missing workers it’s getting even harder, so those policies are being rethought ___________