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posted by Hesperado at 1:18 PM
I don’t know, maybe “uri” is an obama fan and hates any mention of Captain America and The Avengers …
This is of course a very serious situation, and perhaps a very serious threat …and having obama at the helm is NOT a confidence booster, not at all.
Again, sorry if I came across as too lighthearted given the seriousness.
Take it out on a real punching bag…not Champ.
Take it out on a real punching bag…not Champ.
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Thank you, dear Ashley! ..so true, my friend 🙂 xo
You’re a dear!
just a question. What have you got against SUPERMAN? As ( from my youth) the old television series, he stood for ” TRUTH, JUSTICE AND THE AMERICAN WAY”.
I do not recall Captain America ( comic books) , and I disliked the Avengers television series, so– repeating my question.
Why leave out Superman?
For an alien ( real one) (?) (sarc. know he is fictional) he showed that he liked what the US represented.
1) If Pres Obama DOES NOTHING – IS/ISIS/ISIL will proclaim the Mohammaden victory over ‘Amerika’, that they call ‘thethe big Satan’
– all the while blatantly continuing their Satanically inspired inhumane, viscous actions against men, women, boys, and girls.
2) If Pres Obama DOES REALLY RETALIATE – IS/ISIS/ISIL will blame ‘Amerika’
– all the while blatantly continuing their Satanically inspired inhumane, viscous actions against men, women, boys, and girls.
Exactly as Hamas is doing RIGHT NOW against ISRAEL – who the Mohammadens call ‘the little Satan’
“The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.”
(Ps 12:8 – KJV)
“And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”
(Luke 17:26-29 – KJV)
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Me thinks that the whole world is becoming ever more and more rapidly ‘as it was in the days of Noah and of Lot’
– TODAY – RIGHT NOW!
We always need to remember that the battles that are constantly being waged are Spiritual – and they are increasing in viscousness, intensity, and sheer evil in these ‘end-of-the-end times’ – just as “the Lord Jesus Christ” warned of before “the time of Jacob’s trouble”, when ‘all hell’ will literally break loose on this planet:
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6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
(1 Pet 5:6-9 – KJV)
How long before the True God destroys the wild beast? And rid the earth of the devil?
From all that is going on in the world, indeed it does appear it is again like “the days of Noah.”
wrong link
This is the one that features the lyrics with music
It is islam, Obama. Not radical islam, not islamism it is islam. The islam of mohammad, the islam of the koran. Your favorite religion. The one that butchers everyone.
How much death and destruction does it take before these idiots running the US figure it out. You would think 9-11 would have been enough to wake up everyone. What is it going to take for us to get serious?
No amount of “wakeup calls” seems to overcome our national snooze button. When, if ever, will stories like this enter into the national discussion on immigration? When it reaches the critical mass of Lebanonization is too late.
I wonder what the archaeologists of the future (500-2000 years from now, after Islam has self-immolated at the cost of probably billions of lives) will say in regards to the stupidity of the people of this generation. Proof that people in general are incurably moronic, and happily partook in the mass-suicide of Western civilization. The only thing that can save humanity from itself at this point is alien intervention (the ET kind).
Our nation is deluded, occupied by the trivial, war weary for the war we can’t avoid, corrupted by Gulf Arab lucre, and generally uninformed about everything.
But we do have Kim Kardashian’s ass.
And has criticized, as best I can recall, virtually every president since. he seems to beleive in no taxes- 9so do I- but, as far as I know, North Korea, hardly a paradise–is the only palce with no taxes.
Some people should just be ignored.
LOL…. I have to admit we Americans are pretty awesome that’s too funny. Wish I could see some of those pics, they threaten us and American citizens post soft porn which depicts Mohammed having sex with goats and stuff. LOL
I tried to warn O’Reilly about Islam in some decidedly non-pithy emails many years ago. He fell for some cute young Muslima taqiyya. He’s an arrogant windbag. Recently reality has pounded a bit more sense in his head, on those rare occasions I watch his show. 8 is for DVR Red Eye.
Indeed.
As in if “bull’s-eye” is at 1200 and you state and propagate it is at 0300, in so doing, lead your following to aim at 0300, what happens to the central target at 1200?
Not much, if anything at all.
In short, all who fail to directly oppose Islam aid and abet it. End of story.
It’d be 3 days before anyone even noticed. That is, IF they survived long enough to actually carry anything out.
And such horrific terror attacks will not be possible without a large demographic of Muslims on the ground throughout the West, as both immigrants and “citizens” in various positions of infiltration in most of our institutions (government, academe, news media, entertainment, power plants, hospitals, clinics, business sector, retail, etc.). The mere presence of untold numbers of Muslims in the West, presumed to be harmless, will likely be necessary for the certain number among them to do what needs to be done to get such terror plots planned, laid down, and then ready for deployment when the time comes, years later. No Muslim should be trusted. All should be rounded up and deported — that is, if we want to prevent such horrific terror attacks. Silly me, but I’d like my society to err on the side of protecting our society, based upon a mountain of evidence giving us a reasonable basis for such suspicion. But the dismal likelihood that we will not do what needs to be done in the coming decades is indicated, in part, by how many even in the Counter-Jihad are soft on the danger of all Muslims.
Virtually no judicial authority in the US would disagree with me here (N.B., Even if you could cite one or two such authorities, this in no way means you have won the argument. After all, you can actually find a few Chrisitans, with one or more degrees in geology, who dispute the basic facts of evolution, even though if evolution over eons of times is not a reality, then nothing is. So, citing such EXTREMELY few exceptions simply doesn’t count.)
I repeat again (but I fear to no effect) that banning Islam or Muslims from America is not necessary (or possible under the law). What is necessary is that Islam be looked upon by the vast majority of Americans, including to date the still clueless elites, as something deeply inimical to American democracy, as are fascism and Marxism (neither of which either were ever banned). Should this occur, should Islam be identified for the reprobate ideology that it is, an ideology profoundly at odds with liberty as no other major faith is, then Muslims could continue to function in America with little threat to the American Republic, because identified as losers just as Neo-Nazis and silly Marxists have been. In short, Muslims could continue to function in a free American society but they would no longer be looked upon as anything but inimical to a free American society—-and their presence, a la Thomas Jefferson, would be first-rate proof that American democracy can tolerate amidst itself even those who would want to end it (of course, this doesn’t mean, shouldn’t mean, that some legal pretext or other should not be found to ban almost all further Muslim immigration to America).
In short, the problem is not Islam but rather ignorance of islam.
I wish you could finally grasp this. It is your weakest link by far. I despise Islam as you do but pie-in-the-sky solutions to dealing with Islam in America, not rooted in law, are distractions, even impediments. Hope you finally get this. I doubt you will.
Hope you are doing well, my friend. Damn shame, no, we have such clueless, even complicit, elites running the West right now, none more so than Obama? Take care, pal.
P.S. This is to Bezelel (because, once again, no “reply” option). You wrote, “…islam is not deserving of the protection of the US Constitution since they are enemies of it.”
Well, Bezelel, you could say the same thing about Nazism and Marxism being enemies of the Constitution and yet neither of these “brother” totalitarian ideologies have ever been denied protection under the Constitution. What has been denied, though, are certain ACTIONS that occur in any effort to implement this, that or the other totalitarian ideology. Philip Jihadski, as well as myself, have tried to make this crystal clear to many here at JW but, alas, it seems to no effect. I really do wish more folks here at JW, good folks like yourself who mean well, would educate themselves to a greater extent about American constitutional and statutory law.
Knowledge is power. The lack of knowledge is often a hindrance to accomplishing that which should be accomplished.
But, if ISIS is truly planning to attack Chicago, I hope people are noting which imams, mosques, and individuals in the area have been praising the militants and calling for jihad.
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2014/07/re-match.html
You neglected to mention your conflict of interest when you cite “in the further linked additional essay” at — http://hesperado.blogspot.com
“The US Constitution protects the rights of everyone, muslims included. Because islam is accepted as valid on face value.”
Or rather, because Islam is being elaborately misunderstood and mischaracterized. The Islam which the U.S. Constitution is thought to protect is not the actual Islam; it’s the holograph which PC MC has (with the help of Islamopologists) constructed over a long period of time. If that holograph were the actual Islam, of course the U.S. Constitution would have to protect it; and if the holograph of the Muslim constructed by PC MC (with the help of Islamopologists) were actual Muslims, of course the U.S. Constitution would have to protect them, as it does any other demographic. The West is in process of coming to understand the real Islam, teasing that out of the elaborate myth which has been constructed (which in some interesting ways extends back in time to eras one would think precedes PC MC; though, of course, when one goes back sufficiently far, one finds more and more appropriate literacy and awareness of the actual nature of Islam; but, precisely because the West back then never found itself in the situation it finds itself in the last 50 years, with an unprecedented shift of population, millions of Muslims inside the Enemy Camp of the Dar-al-Harb (another region which some JWers think doesn’t exist geographically, as though that means it doesn’t exist in the minds of Muslims and from there translating into the very real threats their stealth jihad against us present), we don’t have the opportunity to see what those great Westerners, undeformed by PC MC, would have thought about what to do with Muslims in the West by the millions, rather than what they were, an external counter-civilization for the most part far away, or as remarkably regressive populations under the thumb of a superior Colonial geopolitics.
“There is a mountain of evidence against islam that shows it is not compatible with civilization… islam is not deserving of the protection of the US Constitution since they are enemies of it. ”
Well, even if a demographic had a culture that is not compatible with civilization (and “civilization” could be defined in ways that do not include actively waging war against us in a symbiosis of violence and stealth, and already having mass-murdered thousands of us, portending even more horrific attacks in the coming decades), and even if that demographic thought of themselves as enemies of the U.S. Constitution — that still does not mean they should be deported. This isn’t about whether a people has ideas we find repulsive or which makes them hate us; this is about a people who are actively waging war against us in a symbiosis of violence and stealth, and already having mass-murdered thousands of us, portending even more horrific attacks in the coming decades. I find it fascinating and infuriating that so many JWers can’t seem to fix on this most acute and pertinent point, but have to keep slipping off to peripheral matters.
1) that Islam is a hot war against us in the hot present (made even worse by its pseudo-cover of stealth jihad maddeningly enabled by our own Western mainstream)
2) that Muslims are soldiers in various capacities in this hot war
3) and that because of taqiyya and stealth jihad (which directly facilitates the hot war precisely in ways dependent upon fooling us, ways which multiply the diversity of types of soldiery to include any and all Muslims who seem to be harmless), we must rationally suspect all Muslims of being at war with us in terms of #1 and #2 above.
Possibly the very crux of the whole problem is the phrase I bolded above; and a measure of how successful that tactic is in the overall military strategy of Islam is how even many in the Counter-Jihad are fooled into thinking not all Muslims are our enemy in the hot war Islam is now waging against us (and has waged against us from the very beginning, when we were a gleam in our Mother Civilization’s eye (“Rome”) — a war that of necessity must include horrific terror plots against us which we have every good reason to suppose they are planning and which we have every reasonable obligation to try to stop (but which our good reason informed by Islamoliteracy tells us cannot be fought in a conventional manner as we fought WW1 and WW2 — particularly because of #3 above).
Go back just a few years–to the Republican priamries and debates (2012 election).
In a HERITAGE FOUNDATION sponsored debate, newt Gingrich was asked ( my wording might be fof a bit, not the meaning0- ‘IF YOU WERE PRESIDENT, AND YOU KNEW, FROM UNIMPEACHABLE SOURCES, AND BACKED UP BY INTELLIGENCE RPEORTS, THAT AN ATTACK OF 911 PROPORTIONS, OR WORSE, WAS BEING PLANNED. AND WERE GIVEN WHERE THE PLANNERS ( AND, I believe, thsoe who would carry it out) WERE, WOULD YOU TAKE THEM OUT? (IE. assassinate them).
newt Gingrich said YES; THE FIRST OBLIGATION OF A PRESIDENT IS TO RPOTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
ALL CANDIDATES EXCEPT RON PAUL AGREED.
RON PAUL–” KILLING THEM -FOR PLANNING AN ATTACK?” ( or words to that effect). seemingly, willing to let a few thousand or more Americans die, for his beliefs.
AND YET HE SI CONSIDERED A ??? ( TO ME, I CONSIDER HIM AN ASSHOLE, and a stupid one). (HE ALSO SEES -OR SAW-NOTHING WRONG WITH THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT)
If that happened, we’d only retreat further into our shell, and keep on telling ourselves “We must have done something to offend them” and the religion of peace mantra would get yet another airing, just like after 9/11. We’re not China, and they know it.
All we have to do is legislate the movement of the Quran from the library shelf labelled “Religion” to the library shelf labelled “War Manuals”. Then we can defeat the political system called Islam.
It’s a Conspiracy to Murder. Just because some call it a “religion” worthy of Constitutional protections does not make it so.
Although we have all been fooled by our government so far to believe this, that doesn’t mean we must continue to be fools. We need new governmental leadership who will call a spade a spade.
Islam must be criminalized, not tolerated.
and take out Obama’s Chicagoland friends.
Maybe Chicago law enforcement could do well by keeping an eye out on which rabid imams and other Muslims leave the city when.
Obama’s PC police will be running advanced cover for the Muslim Mafioso.
I see islam as the enemy, it should be banned here.
All ways the “faith” of islam can be promoted, or placed into the minds of our young, should be carefully monitored, and worked against. Not protected.
Our way of life will end, if our country must bend to allow islam to thrive here.
And bend it must, if those who think we have no other course but to allow a enemy of our way of life, to stay and call for us to bow to their every verse of will.
The United States will not survive if islam is protected from itself.
Mabye a marxist president (if that ever happens) would not agree, perhaps others who follow only the idea of law, and not the intent of the law.
Far be it for me, a non ivory tower, clueless, non elite citizen , to think islam is the enemy, and should consider it as that.
What am I thinking.
Your fourth option sounds suspiciously just like Hitler’s Final Solution insanity.
The nuclear option assumes that the “underlying psychology and dynamics ” must be dealt with only in military terms.
This kind of thinking allows the ideology of Islam to slither away and re-infect again and again.
Reveal Islam or deal with Islam (again and again. )
You say God Himself is engaged
You further suggest
it would not be unjust to place them (nuclear weapons) at God’s disposal.
WHAT! Are you serious.
I must imagine then that God creator of the universe would be eternally grateful that we put nuclear weapons at his disposal in case he is unable to deal with the Muslim threat without our help and nuclear know-how assistance.
we’re familiar with: 4) “When you meet the disbelievers in battle, strike them in the neck…”
but, for better comprehension, we mus’nt pass over : “God could have defeated them Himself if He had willed, but His purpose is to test some of you by means of others. He will not let the deeds of those who are killed for His cause come to nothing; 5) He will guide them and put them into a good state; 6) He will admit them into the Garden He has already made known to them. 7) You who believe! If you help God, He will help you and make you stand firm.”
murky point: the Allah god of Islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers) isn’t directly involved here as a belligerent, except we’ll say, to “guide them” (to rid the world of unbelievers even in death), which suggests is the purpose for the theoretical Muhammad (lately contrived; full of lusts), as personified by the imams vomiting SHARIA and koran, creating the god’s presence in limited space/time by stating its purpose, i.e., to rid… or, defeat.
and it is somewhat analogous to an exorcism, in this context, done as a “good” work by man (slaves of the Allah god of Islam) ridding the world of unbelievers, defeating them – to please the god of Islam – which is by, closer than the jugular, but not so involved as to be noticed as much as the “good” jihadi.
tools? … whatever comes to the camp (inshallah) can be used in this effort to engage the enemy any way … such is the beneficent purifying rage of the Allah god of Islam
[following: “… such is the beneficent purifying rage of the Allah god of Islam…”]
and so, while this god seems to gather millions in its service, it has deceived them all because while serving it, they are confronting the Unique God – King of kings and Lord of lords – who indeed does have power to destroy His enemies but has chosen to wait … until the revealed Word of God is proclaimed, the Cross of Christ and the opened grave is announced, forgiveness … life … and salvation is celebrated, because He desires all men/women to be saved. He desires this because He is merciful and loving, full of grace.
and at the right time the universe will be destroyed down to the tiniest particle of every atom by His most Holy Word.
in the meantime, believers serve Him, waging war against darkness using words about TRUE RIGHTEOUSNESS, water, bread and wine. these are enough to disturb the most vile of people, such as we now may face. believers may battle in Spirit and with truth and at the command of their governments.
Since awakened to the realities of Islam, only fools believed otherwise. Of course you’re here, we have welcomed you here.
Onward Khilafah…on the way to WH (The Seat of Falsehood). Not even worth making our capital when captured
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While some of us are arguing, we have vile Jihadists like this one slathering over the idea of destroying us.
Muhammad Abu Allah the Serpent of Satan
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863
Keep the light of freedom burning bright.
I assume from your moniker that you are Irish, as was my grandfather, though I never had the pleasure of meeting him. I’d love to hoist a pint or two with ya, if the occasion should ever present itself.
Good luck and God be with you in the fight against the evil scourge of Islam.
Deus Vult!
And yes—despite the silliness of the idea, “Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter” is quite a rousing film—and not a bad metaphor for what we’re facing from Islam, either.
“Ukraine: Putin Attempts To Woo Crimean Tatars”
http://registan.net/2014/03/07/ukraine-putin-attempts-to-woo-crimean-tatars/
Overall, Putin has been a lot more concerned about crushing democratic and Western-leaning Ukrainians than he has in reigning in Jihadists.
Western-leaning Ukrainians???
You must be referring to the Western engineered Kiev coup and NPR supported propaganda campaign.
Crimea is not far from the Beslan massacre
I trust Putin way more than Obama (or Turkey) when dealing with Muslims in this region.
Let’s not forget Obama’s FBI and the Boston – Chechen connections either.
I saw a video of the Taliban Mujahidin using sophisticated weaponry during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan to decimate a Russian outpost killing scores of Russian soldiers and shooting down Russian jets.
The US and Saudis aided this.
Our reward was 911
How would we in the US feel if Russia gave the Taliban such advanced weapons to take out a whole US base of soldiers?
THE RADIATION(inside the body of a survivor) can (for want of a better phrase)0come home to roost 40-50 or more years after exposure.
This happened to a relative of mine. Whene he was 18-18, he was a witness at A bomb tests at Bikini Island; Nevada, New Mexico, etc.
When he was 59 and a few months, he developed a weird ( cannot think of the medial term) of untratable cancer, caused by that exposure.
Died after about 2 or so months of unbearable pain. The average life expectancy, with this type was about 10 days.
It spread-rapidly- too the lungs BUT WAS NOT LUNG CANCER; THE EYES BUT NOT CANCER OF THE EYES; THE BRAIN BUT WAS NOT A BRAIN CANCER, ETC.
The radiation will survice.
Might kill the Muslims–and israelis and wherever the wind blows the radiation.
“If a war is commanded by Jesus Christ Himself”
interesting premise
Michael is attempting to say that Jesus is commanding us to nuke Muzzies.
Sorry I don’t hear Jesus saying that.
Michael you need to stop reading that Reza Aslan ‘Zealot’ tripe.
Michael also said,
“Nuclear weapons need not be used if they are unnecessary, but it would be unjust to not place them at God’s disposal”
You really got me there Michael.
Who am I to deny Jesus the permission to use of nukes?
Yes, by golly our job is to offer up our advanced weaponry to give Jesus all our extra assistance.
I get 1) that Islam is a ” hot war.” So were the wars against Nazism and Communism (the Cold War was anything but “cold” many times) but never were these latter two ideologies banned in America. I get 2) that Muslims are soldiers for Islam just as Nazis and Marxists were for their respective putrid ideologies. I get 3) that deception (taqiyya and kitman) are elements of the Islamic faith.
I “get” all that you think I don’t get but I am a lawyer and know American law and, guess what, you obviously don’t. Your prescriptions for dealing with Islam in America are a total non-starter, in fact risible,—–and you refuse to get this. But it’s even worse than this. By your continued refusal to educate yourself about what constitutional and statutory law here in America will permit where Islam and Muslims are concerned, you reveal yourself for an ideologue first and foremost, almost exclusively in fact, and thus are no help whatsoever in the practical world, the real world, that we live in.
Let me put it another way: You are a hindrance to dealing with Islam in America. Your ignorance actually serves Islam because ignorance like yours can be used by silly dhimmis aplenty (and Muslims) to negate what informed and knowledgeable people know about Islam and how to handle it. You get this, voegelinian? You are serving Islam, not thwarting it, by your MASSIVE ignorance of American law. In effect, you are a special kind of useful idiot.
Do you get that I get what you continiue to assert I don’t get I actually do get? No, of course you don’t. Again, you mischaracterize my take on Islam and Muslims in America. And again you demonstrate the feeble extent of your knowledge of American law. You are too smart to continue this particular and specific kind of dumbness on your part. Cease, will ya’? Educate yourself on American constitutional and statutory law. Now would be a good time.
I get 1) that Islam is a ” hot war.” So were the wars against Nazism and Communism (the Cold War was anything but “cold” many times) but never were these latter two ideologies banned in America.
I don’t call for “banning an ideology”; I don’t call for “banning Islam”. I call for protecting our society from people killing us because they are following an ideology. And the nature of this enemy people and of their strategy and tactics then leads us (if we are using reason, that is) to flesh out what “protecting our society” would have to entail to be optimally successful (which does not necessarily = perfect). I have come to the conclusion that, given the nature of this enemy people and of their strategy and tactics, anything conventional (even robustly conventional — “monitor extremist mosques, limit immigration, deport the tiny minority of extremists, increase surveillance, etc.”) will not be enough (since the “nature” includes important considerations, such as the reasonably inferred fact that it is metastasizing alarmingly — it’s a moving problem, getting horribly worse, not a static problem).
I get 3) that deception (taqiyya and kitman) are elements of the Islamic faith.
Well, my point about deception was not (merely) that it’s an element of Islam, but that it forces us to consider all Muslims as soldiers in Islam (with Islam defined as the hot war against us, in all its many-splendored details we have been learning to our ongoing growing horror). (And this is an important part of the aforementioned “nature” that informs, or should inform, our self-defense measures.)
I “get” all that you think I don’t get but I am a lawyer and know American law and, guess what, you obviously don’t. Your prescriptions for dealing with Islam in America are a total non-starter, in fact risible,—–and you refuse to get this.
My prescriptions could be risible if one fails to factor in all my points. Analogy: Let us say Peter makes the following prescription, as described by Paul who for various reasons has mistakenly mischaracterized Peter’s full position:
“There are all these guys who mistreat their wives and don’t have any respect for social order, and they all seem to be disaffected white guys in their 40s who had a troubled upbringing and have an obsession with gun culture — we need to knock down doors, commandeer businesses and private homes, remove people from their businesses and homes so that police and FBI can use them in order to surround these white guys and try to shoot them dead.”
Well, of course that prescription, based on that description, would be not only risible but would be against the U.S. Constitution. What that description leaves out is seen in the following (with the bolded part) when we actually understand Peter’s full point:
“There are all these guys who mistreat their wives and don’t have any respect for social order, and they all seem to be disaffected white guys in their 40s who had a troubled upbringing and have an obsession with gun culture — and over the past 24 hours, they have banded together (evidently as part of a long-term plan they had which we only learned about in the past 24 hours) to take control of a high rooftop in Times Square and now they are shooting random people dead in the street: we need to knock down doors, commandeer businesses and private homes, remove people from their businesses and homes so that police and FBI can use them in order to surround these white guys and try to shoot them dead.”
Now with the restored content missing from the initial description, we see that prohibitive strictures derived from the U.S. Constitution are not only irrelevant, they would recklessly endanger society if applied in order to prevent the police and F.B.I. from their ordinary job in that extraordinary situation.
As with most analogies, this one is necessarily a simplification of the problem, in order to illuminate what’s going on with the problem; a common mistake would be to fixate on details of my analogy and take them literally and miss the larger point supplied by my fuller argument in addition to the analogy (e.g., “but all Muslims aren’t shooting people from a rooftop”; etc.). I again reiterate that Wellington is not fully factoring in the nature of the problem of Islam as a war against us and all Muslims as soldiers in that war (again, with nature including important differences this unique war has, contrasting it with our war in WW2 and WW1 (not to mention probably all our wars in history) — notwithstanding many similarities which, nevertheless, we don’t want to distract us from the crucial dissimilarities — including, for example, the militarization of all Muslims (where “militarization” here, of course, has to be informed by the concept and fact of stealth jihad).
I think the rest of Wellington’s remarks build upon this as yet unaddressed problem, which needs to be addressed before proceeding (and it’s been many months now of reiterations in different permutations of the above argument on my part, with Wellington persistently missing the point which I hope my analogy above may clarify).
307 N. Michigan Ave to be precise. It’s at the corner of Michigan and South Water Street and it’s called the Old Republic Building.
What we found online was stunning. So we brought it to the attention of the building security team. ..
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These Jihadists may or may not intend to hit the Old Republic Building itself.
The heart of Chicago and its most iconic view is N. Michigan Avenue where it crosses the river—this is rather like a shot of Times Square in New York City—it is a shorthand for the city itself as much as a specific address.
My husband grew up in Chicago, and I’m pretty familiar with the city.
It has its problems, but this is one of America’s great cities—no wonder these damn barbarians want to destroy it. *Ugh*.